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	<title>Comments on: Two paradigms of civic learning</title>
	<link>http://www.engagedyouth.org/2008/07/15/two-paradigms-of-civic-learning/</link>
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		<title>By: Simon Ouderkirk</title>
		<link>http://www.engagedyouth.org/2008/07/15/two-paradigms-of-civic-learning/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Ouderkirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are running comments, as I read the paper:

 - The various international civic engagement projects seem to agree that democracy is dependent upon getting youth involved, and involved early. However, the line which seems to have been ignored is the line between organizing FOR youth and organizing WITH youth. Coming to youngsters with an agenda is like coming to any group with an agenda: the organizer is an outsider, and would be better served allowing for the community members (in this case youngsters) to create their own agenda. The &lt;a href="http://www.dosomething.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;Do Something&lt;/a&gt; program is usually pretty good about that.

- It looks as though the AC/DC (who says civic engagement doesn't rock?) split mirrors &lt;b&gt;Bowling Alone&lt;/b&gt; pretty closely - ah, there's the reference. When you say that AC engage mostly in 'loose networks,' what does that mean?

- It is interesting that the civic learning styles of the AC seem so much more intrinsically involved than those of the DC, especially when considered in light of the so-called 'engagement crisis' that we find ourselves in. It seems to imply that the involvement strategies of AC v DC may just not be comparable on one scale.

- I am especially glad to see some scholarship approving the idea of youth-based involvement happening outside of the school environment: while it is a place of enormous youth population, the pre-established mental environment of the place tends to work against organizers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are running comments, as I read the paper:</p>
<p> - The various international civic engagement projects seem to agree that democracy is dependent upon getting youth involved, and involved early. However, the line which seems to have been ignored is the line between organizing FOR youth and organizing WITH youth. Coming to youngsters with an agenda is like coming to any group with an agenda: the organizer is an outsider, and would be better served allowing for the community members (in this case youngsters) to create their own agenda. The <a href="http://www.dosomething.org" rel="nofollow">Do Something</a> program is usually pretty good about that.</p>
<p>- It looks as though the AC/DC (who says civic engagement doesn&#8217;t rock?) split mirrors <b>Bowling Alone</b> pretty closely - ah, there&#8217;s the reference. When you say that AC engage mostly in &#8216;loose networks,&#8217; what does that mean?</p>
<p>- It is interesting that the civic learning styles of the AC seem so much more intrinsically involved than those of the DC, especially when considered in light of the so-called &#8216;engagement crisis&#8217; that we find ourselves in. It seems to imply that the involvement strategies of AC v DC may just not be comparable on one scale.</p>
<p>- I am especially glad to see some scholarship approving the idea of youth-based involvement happening outside of the school environment: while it is a place of enormous youth population, the pre-established mental environment of the place tends to work against organizers.</p>
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